McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas?

So the focus is now exclusively on Ohio and Texas. It's an odd political narrative. "Clinton must win Texas and Ohio." But everyone knows a simple Clinton win in either state will do little more than stretch out the ratings jump for Hardball a couple of weeks. Clinton can net no delegates in Texas without winning 65 percent or more of the votes. So she'll be even further behind in national delegates, and that means she'd need even bigger wins in Ohio and subsequent primaries to begin to catch up.

Nonetheless, that's where we are. Neither campaign is really motivated to talk about  these facts. If Clinton is not giving up, Obama needs his supporters mobilized. He can't very well tell them it's over. Clinton needs something to tell her contributors. "I must win Texas" sounds pretty good, unless the prospective donor asks, "How big do you need to win Texas."

What's not getting talked about much is the real reason John McCain has stepped up his attacks on Obama. It has everything to do with the Democratic primary.  McCain wants to drive independent voters in Texas and Ohio away from Obama.  McCain doesn't want another Obama blow-out, especially when it means even more independent voters buy into Obama by voting for him in a primary. So he attacks.

This is probably more true of Ohio than Texas, since conventional belief is Texas electoral votes will probably go to the GOP nominee no matter how many independents vote for Obama. This conventional wisdom is looking a little threadbare, by the way. Texas is not out of the question for the Democrat in November.

I'll write more about this later. But there's been serious de-alignment in Texas, there's little left of the old liberal/conservative Democratic split. We've been down so long we love one another. The Democratic infrastructure here is being rebuilt with focus, discipline and commitment. We've won virtually every seriously contested district-level race over the last two years, including a recent state House special election in a 60 percent-plus GOP district.

Like I said before, Obama and Clinton supporters are even being polite to one another.



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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

Let's here it for politeness.


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by John in Chicago on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:56:01 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

But doesn't McCain attacking Obama lead to a Obama vs. McCain story line, which pushes Hillary to the side regarding media coverage?


by ChrisR on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:01:58 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

I think so. I think Clinton being ignored is even worse than being attacked, the attacks may provoke a backlash as in New Hampshire. But being ignored is fatal for any candidate.

When the media stopped devoting reporters to follow John Edwards it was sure a sign he was finished.

If the story is always Obama v McCain, then Democrats are going to fall in line behind Obama.


by liberalj on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:08:43 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

I don't know. Since they never have anything good to say about her it might be better that they are focusing on Obama. The press seems to have turned against him.


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:13:03 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

If by press you mean this website, then possibly.  Otherwise, I haven't seen any significant shift.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:14:45 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Well you haven't been watching the news then...
Obama's plagarism
Michelles' "anti american" comment etc.
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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:37:33 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

I saw many people on CNN and MSNBC making fun of the plagiarism story, though I do appreciate the courage and fortitude of some here to keep it going.  Likewise, I haven't seen much play of the "anti-American" comment in reputable outlets, though again I have no doubt that many here will keep it going for some time afterwards.  Because, you know, that's what voters care about this election.  

In the end, this will only help Obama toughen up for the general election and hurt Clinton - to the extent that he responds to McCain's attacks, he shows himself to be the frontrunner; to the extent that he responds to Clinton's attacks, she appear to be running the more negative campaign.  It's actually a win-win, so let the games begin.  


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:44:56 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely -

I think the press has definitely sharpened its questioning of Obama.

While I don't necessarily "like it" -- hell, the press is a big, stupid dog... if I can get it to play fetch rather than chewing up my slippers or humping my leg - so much the better - it's been a necessarily rite of passage.

While Jack Cafferty can sometimes be a bit on the smug, self-righteous side --- I think he did have a good point earlier today:

Will it matter?  Attacks on Obama -- fair or not -- just don't seem to resonate with the electorate.   In fact-  based on the vote totals since the race got hotter, it seems to have the opposite effect.

I mean - I lived through the 80s.  I remember 'teflon Reagan'.   He was the original no-stick politician.

I'm not necessarily BANKING on Obama's teflonism... but I think we just might see it developing.


by zonk on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:53:11 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

The press always turns. They build 'em up to knock 'em down.

I don't think Obama supporters realize just how much the media has helped him, they're going to get a shock when the coverage really gets negative.

Everytime Hillary dared to criticise Obama she was made out to be practicing dirty politics, well the gloves are off now. The Republicans are not going to hold back.


by liberalj on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:16:41 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

A great question. I'm assuming McCain believes it's over for Clinton. So this is an anti-Obama strategy. He doesn't care about its effects on Clinton.

It's targeted at independents, who have also already given up on Clinton. McCain just wants to keep them from signing on with Obama. He'll be happy at the side effect -- Clinton pushed to the sidelines, as you say.


by Glenn Smith on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:15:56 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for the view from the right.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:23:24 PM EST
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527 ads (none / 0)

Have you seem the first ad from the 527? It's on TPM, and HuffPo. It seems kid of wimpy to me.


by del on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:30:20 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

. . . . Obama and Clinton supporters are even being polite to one another.

get outta town. not possible.


by casey on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:03:39 PM EST

Glenn - (none / 0)

Rick Noriega...

1 in 5?  1 in 10?  1 in 3?

What do you think his chances are?  

Cornyn is probably #2 or #3 on my list of most hated senators (personal reasons).   I'd dearly love to see him go down.

Do you see coattails were our nominee to be Obama?  Do you see sort of 'reverse coattails' for McCain (i.e., GOP base staying home)?


by zonk on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:06:34 PM EST

Re: Glenn - (none / 0)

Noriega will surprise people. It's uphill, of course, but the national scene is for the first time in decades helping us in Texas. Rick's resume and standing in the community are impeccable. I give him a good chance. It'd be a better chance if the DSCC decided to judge these kinds of things prospectively and funded him from early on. The problem with eliminating possibilities of the future by condemning a state like Texas for its past:  it can be self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe we can change that, maybe Rick will win without the early money from the DSCC.


by Glenn Smith on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:21:15 PM EST
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Re: Glenn - (none / 0)

I'm hoping that the DSCC will definitely look at this race.

Looking at it realistically -- you have to think that Shaheen in NH and Warner in VA at minimum aren't going to need DSCC funds.   Both - I believe - are greatly outraising the incumbents.

That's two challengers that shouldn't need DSCC help.

Looking at the rest of the field... MN might be another potential pickup not needing the help.   NM also looks promising - not to mention, there won't be a GOP incumbent on the ballot.   CO is probably tight.

Our only real seat in need of defending - LA - actually looks good money-wise, though I suspect we'll have to spend some on defense there.

A lot of other targets... maybe AK, maybe NE, maybe MS, maybe ID -- are pretty cheap markets.

I'd love to see a scenario where TX becomes the place where a good chunk of DSCC money goes.


by zonk on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:33:49 PM EST
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Re: Glenn - (none / 0)

Noriega looks like a good candidate in a Democratic year in a state where the pendulum is swinging back rapidly toward blue.

I'd say it's about 1 in 10 that he might beat Cornyn.  It's a big state, very expansive, and the pendulum is headed toward blue but it isn't nearly there yet.

Still, that's pretty good odds for Texas.


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by Brian Watkins on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:43:22 PM EST
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Texas question (none / 0)

How do Republicans in Tx feel about immigration? Cronyn was a cosponsor.


by del on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:35:37 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Interesting theory, Glenn.  Could be.  

Wish Virginia Obama and Clinton supporters were civil.  For the most part, the Clinton supporters seem to have been so offended by one Obama blog's attacks on Clinton, that these Clinton supporters are saying that they won't help Obama this fall.  Not good news for Virginia.


by Sleepless in Virginia on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:06:49 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

It's that way all over the south. Obama pitted black vs. white and has split the party. People are saying that they'll either stay home or vote McCain. That's why Obama gets blown out in every state in the south even border states.

I guess you can write off his ability to win VA, Right?


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:10:24 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Obama can still win Virginia.  It's in Georgia and Alabama (which won't be contested) that he's getting crushed.  Would Hillary do any better in the South?


by mikelow1885 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:20:44 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

Not sure about AL but she gets more dems here in ga than Obama. Obama loses 1/3 of dems in the ge whereas Hillary loses only 1/4. Obama won't get Kerry's numbers here.

He loses by 30 pts in KY.


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:41:58 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Yes, there haven't been so many race riots since the '60's.  ????????


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:21:39 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Not to mention women vs. men. Christians vs. Gays. Can anyone think of some more that Mr Unifier has split?


by DaleA on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:33:30 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

A friend of mine who is gay, even to the point of having "impeach bush" stickers on his car won't vote for Obama. Sad really. Kerry might look like a winner when this is all over.


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:43:51 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Agree that Obama started the "race" thing.  In Virginia, in my precinct, known lifelong conservative Republicans "crossed over"  voted for Obama, with a wink, wink and a nod.

Obamabots have ired and angered so many folks here in Virginia with their Obama worship that McCain will win handily here.  


by Sleepless in Virginia on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:40:38 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

Oh man, that's rich.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rtPopup.aspx?g=bbe615f5-c846-4849-a0c2-9 99687fd54c4&q=45622

Yep, I guess VA's in the bag for McCain.  I'm under no illusion that it would be difficult to win, but some of these armchair predictions are really amusing.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:50:24 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

I don't see him as a Clinton surrogate just as a Republican candidate defining an undefined Democratic candidate. He's been winning the media narrative against Obama so why shouldn't he continue? After all, it makes sense for him to do so.


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by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:07:45 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

I don't understand the post.


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by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:15:56 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

See my reply below. Briefly, I make two observations. 1) Clinton can't catch up in delegates, in part because the selection system in Texas will help Obama (accidentally -- it's been in place for decades). 2) McCain is trying to drive a wedge between independent voters and Obama. It's a smart strategy.


by Glenn Smith on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:29:53 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (2.00 / 1)

This is probably closer to the truth, minus the theatricality.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:17:00 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

I think that sounds about right actually that or maybe McCain is a little scared of Obama and does not want to face him the GE. I don't think so though. He's a tough old bird.Liberalj- I don't think that's going to happen for a lot of Clintonistas. I think everyone's going to be hearing a lot about McCain democrats come November.
Sleepless- it's the media and the more aggressive meaner Obama supporters. It's really turned a lot of folks off. I know I am saying the obvious but I think it's going to bite him in the ass eventually. At least I hope so. I am really disgusted with the democratic party myself. It's not what I thought it was. I am so sorry I have to say that but it's how I feel.
by Iceblinkjm on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:17:02 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

It's about who McCain wants to face.  Personally, I think this strategy of getting involved in the other party's primary can backfire.  Maybe McCain thinks Clinton is the tougher opponent in the long run, despite the polls.  So he's trying to make her irrelevant.  


by mikelow1885 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:24:02 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Iceblinkjm, yeah I feel as you do.


by Sleepless in Virginia on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:42:45 PM EST
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Yup. And she eats little children for lunch. (none / 0)


by Shazone on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:20:18 PM EST

This line (none / 0)

"Like I said before, Obama and Clinton supporters are even being polite to one another."
Is exactly how it was in my precinct caucus and how it is at our DL.

But at the cacuses, I heard this from PCO's and I could see and hear for myself, how many Obama supporters were being loud, arrogant, obnoxious and pushy.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:21:43 PM EST

Re: This line (none / 0)

I'm sure that they were just angry that they would no longer count after voting for him.  :)


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:25:07 PM EST
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Your right Kevin. At my caucus here in Maine, it (2.00 / 2)

was horrendous. The ones who spoke for Hillary got up and spoke  passionately "for" Hillary with nary a word about Obama. The ones who spoke for Obama got up and trashed Hillary and didn't say much "for" Obama. It was so bad that those of us supporting Hillary had to start booing loudly. The moderator, the guy in charge of the mic, told us no booing aloud and we must keep it civil. I yelled out, "Tell them to keep it civil on the mic and we'll keep it civil out here." It was awful and just totally disgusted me.


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by Rumarhazzit on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:48:13 PM EST
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I know... (none / 0)

it is that they are so filled with "Unity, Hope Change and KumBaYa" that they were just wanting to share it. Right?


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:53:33 PM EST
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Re: This line (2.00 / 2)

Look, there are some rude obnoxious Obama supporters, there are some ragingly angry Hillary supporters, Obama tends to skew younger so perhaps more caucus rudeness, I dunno.  But, this is getting ridiculous.  It will probably, though not certainly, be Obama.  Hillary supporters have got to decide whether they can vote for him or stay home--I get that.  Hopefully they will not turn so desperate they will give a vote to a man who is opposed to most of what they value.   But, unless no one gives a damn about the Democratic party (in which case, what attracts you to this Blog)the "your candidate is pure garbage and his/her supporters are degenerate creeps" needs to stop.  Hopefully the convention will repair things but this hatred from camp to camp is nuts.

I posted, a while back, a post on why I could not vote for HRC if she won.  I was wrong.  There is a bunch of reasons I felt justified that, but there is a much greater reason to vote Democratic regardless.  I have rarely seen so many people mobilized for a primary.  That independents are voting Democratic, particularly young ones, for the first time in a long time, bodes great for their future identification with the Democratic party.

Can we try to not screw this up this time and give whoever is our candidate a fighting chance without leaving the primary season too bloodied.


by mady on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:03:26 PM EST
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I agree (none / 0)

with most of what you said. Except I would call some of the O people "ragingly angry" and some of the C people "rude and obnoxious".

I am glad you came around from saying that you would not vote Hillary, BUT I am seeing that a little more now from O people since they feel that they have it locked up. So is this genuine or just patronizing?

I have ALWAYS said I would vote for the nominee. I am not to sure if I will work activly for Obama tho if I have to be around the O "kids". By the way, I am the SAME age as Obama.

I do NOT believe that if O get the nod, that he will be the progressive that so many of you think he is.

Privatizing Schools, Social Security, etc. will only lead to more of what we have with our health care system.

O seems to be OK with MORE private and corporate involment in "the commons".

And Nuclear power?  NO FRIGGIN WAY!


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:13:09 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

Let's say some of each are raging and some of each are obnoxious and call that a draw, okay?

No I would never be patronizing.  It took a good deal of soul-searching because of my problems with the former Clinton administration and feeling like Bill really sold out my beliefs, to get to the point where I felt I could and should vote for HRC if she is nominated.  I do not do things casually and never to put down someone else gratuitously.


by mady on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:21:45 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

Oh, I listened to Obama speak on education at a school function a few weeks ago.  He was very careful, in discussing his education policies to keep this within the public sphere.  Both candidates voted badly and the same way on the only piece of nuclear power legislation that I know of that they voted on.  Neither really have perfect environmental records by my lights, but are miles ahead of any GOP, just not up to Al Gore.


by mady on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:25:14 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

I agree to a point.

First off let me start this with this. In 2004 I supported Wes Clark then Kerry. This year I waited for Clark, then went with Edwards! I feel strongly for Edwards. I am now with Hillary after doing a lot of "checking" on both O and C. I feel they are both to corporate friendly, but...

Now...

Obama has said recently that he is OK with vouchers to private schools. BAD Idea! He has also said he is OK with more N power. BAD Idea. Is he just patronizing the righties? If so, BAD Idea in my mind.

I want to hear and see him ON Tape say what he will do and won't do and how. I have never held any politicians to stick with their "promises" no matter what. That would be silly. Situations change and we change. We all have changed our "promises" because of stuff/things/reasons. We are human. BUT I want to be able to see and hear why they are changing what they "promised", if it makes sense, then I am OK with it.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:45:38 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

I started out with supporting Clark for a bit, but the death penalty is a huge issue for me and Kerry was against, also better environmentally, and knew him from years of service to my state, so supported him with total enthusiasm.

My take on Obama, and I was difficult to convince for the reasons you state, looking at the path he has taken with his life, is that I can trust him to make decisions in favor of those with the least power.  I think that carries through the whole agenda.  When you combine that with a 96% rating (Hillary has 91%, insignificant difference)from the League of Conservation Voters, and a statement on nukes that makes it clear that he is not in favor of them unless some criteria can be met that really are not meetable (same stand exactly as Hillary by the way) he is not pro nuke.

Also, he supports charter schools, which are public, not vouchers.  I have not been able to find anything that indicates he supports vouchers, and I think the two things are often confused.  

I am not trying to win you over anything.  These were questions I needed to answer for myself when I first looked into his candidacy so I am just passing this on.


by mady on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:01:41 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

Charter schools are not an idea I support. It only takes money away from current public schools.

Public schools, especially in lower income big city areas NEED better support, not have money taken from them.

Many charter schools end up being veiled religious schools or schools that are only for a certain segment of the population. I believe in Seattle they still have a "charter" school that is only for black males. I understand the reasoning they gave for it, but is it right? I don't think so.

Obama has said he could support vouchers, if they could be shown to work. Is this patronizing, playing with words to appease the righties, or would he take this path? See, I can not tell because he will NOT be clear about what he REALLY wants and stand for.

I have this same problem with almost everything he says.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 09:33:13 PM EST
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Re: This line (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.  Virtually 50% of the Party supports either candidate - are we really to believe that half of them (whichever half the writer opposes, apparently) are monsters?  Let's stay away from extreme generalizations.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:21:04 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

As I've said before, Hillary is the only presidential candidate ever who has hugged me. She's a smart, hard-fighting, committed candidate who I would proudly support were she the nominee. Among her supporters in Texas are many who have worked hard for Democrats for decades, who have sacrificed careers, given time, money and sweat to turn this state around. I respect them.

Now, what your hate accusation has to do with my post, I'm not sure.

All I am saying is the the McCain campaign is smartly wanting to use this two weeks to dry up some of Obama's support among independents. Yes, he will get the additional benefit of firing up his base, of selling his version of Obama to a wider audience. But the immediacy and sharpness of his attacks persuades me there's a short-term tactical goal as well. That's all.


by Glenn Smith on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:26:08 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

yeah, if the media would not grill Obama.  McCain will do it.  
Good for the old man.   Take the heat Obama.!, see if you are any good.
by JoeySky18 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:26:35 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

So are Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Obama.  Isn't our party the one that wants to treat people with substance abuse issues, not punish them?


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:53:31 PM EST

actually (none / 0)

I disagree. The people you note were not and are not "drug addicts". Bush was and is an alcoholic.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:55:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

All we know about... (none / 0)

Obama's drug use is what he himself has chosen to tell us. I think that is all there is. I am fine with it. Other people will not want an admitted felon being the chief law enforcement officer of the USA. But that aside I do not think that Mrs. McCain's brush with drugs is an issue if she has cleaned up her act. In fact, for all these people I see them as more human and able to emphasize with normal folks if they have had to face down their own demons.


by ineedalife on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:13:55 PM EST
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Re: actually (2.00 / 1)

It's a difference of degree, not of kind.  The point is that our party tends to look over personal indiscretions committed in the distant past, because they tend to have little relevance to the present and future.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:23:10 PM EST
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Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

Well I guess Ms. Iseman is going to make it a bit toughter for McCain to be anyone's surrogate.

Aw. Too bad.


by dannyinla on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:33:02 PM EST

Re: McCain a Clinton Surrogate in Texas? (none / 0)

I caucused for Hillary in Kansas.  The Hillary supporters were generally polite and spoke when they were spoken to.  The Obama supporters were the loudest, pushiest people I have ever seen.  They tried to get all of the Hillary people to leave.  They told us any people who were physically able should leave the building (the doors were never locked and voters who came after 7 were counted)  Being younger (50) I left with  alot of Hillary supporters.  There were no disabled people outside - just young people.  We were the older crowd although we had left wheel chair people in the building.

Independents and Republicans showed no proof of ID or no proof of residence.  Only Democrats showed ID.

I will not vote for Obama.  I will not stay home either.  After this I am going to register as an Independent and vote for McCain.  My whole experience with this election was bad.

The only good thing that happened was that Bill Clinton took the time to sign my Hillary poster which I now have framed!


by peppermint on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:51:17 AM EST


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